I know that's, like HARD to do, but what if everyone took a day 
or 2 off, mowed the lawn, beat the dog or wife and met back up 
at the big tree? 

The 2 major i-car events of the year took place within the last 
2 weeks. We all had a blast, got home and started pissing on 
each other's legs. 'Supwiddat?

I don't have any answers, but it would sure be nice to have 
someone yank out the long forgotten 10 rules of Netiquette.     
Without common decency and respect we are lost as an entity.

I worked on Eli unmercilessly for a very long time to add 
a 'Clubs' section to the Forum. He finally relented- booted the 
scooter stuff and set it up. ( So, I guess this is 
all/partially/maybe a little, my fault. Mea Culpa (: 

After months of inaction, suddenly the category ignites and we 
start using clubs on each other and ignore the original intent 
of making a place where Club news can be interchanged and 
enjoyed. 

Said it before and will say it again. If there was room for one 
more category I nominate " Fruitless and Circuitous Political 
Discussion". That way those who choose to *hit disturb, spin, 
lurk and watch, can have free reign. I can completely ignore the 
whole arena and surf i-car *hit with Buds. 

Fantasy or wistful reality? 

I broke a promise to stay out of this and apologize to all. 

_For sure_, no mo later on the matter. 

Die, you evil and divisive thread! 

kd      

 

     


Kelly Dicker           kd@wcmotors.com
Wine Country Motors    http://www.wcmotors.com
755 Sixth Street       707-255-8697
Napa, CA 94559         707-255-6466 Fax

Kelly  Dicker wrote:
: Die, you evil and divisive thread! 

You know, KD, I respect you greatly but I have to say that if
anything said in this thread is really causing any harm, then we
all must be taking ourselves way too seriously. It's just a bunch
of words, 99% friendly, on a computer screen. 

If any of you all break down anywhere near Pacifica, I'll go out
and rescue you anytime. And then you can stay as long as you
like. Some of you could use the experience more than others, ha!



...........................
Rich Stephens, Pacifica, CA
http://www.3jar.com/fiat  (bunch of people's Fiats)
Former Fiats: two '64 1500 cabriolets, 2400 Dino Coupe, 131
supermirafiori wagon, 2-door brava
Current daily driver: 1978.5 SuperBRAVA wagon

Rich Stephens (Pacifica, CA) wrote:
: You know, KD, I respect you greatly but I have to say that if
: anything said in this thread is really causing any harm, then 
we
: all must be taking ourselves way too seriously. It's just a 
bunch
: of words, 99% friendly, on a computer screen. 

No, we are not 'good'.
Of course, you and I were down this road once before. And shame 
on me for not learning my lesson then. Nothing has changed since 
then. Your last reply in the thread above is even more insulting 
than the first, and illustrates to me once again you a) have no 
desire to see any side other than your own and b) having a 
discussion with you is the biggest waste of time I can have on 
the internet. 
If paying $29 keeps you from coming to FFO, I for one will not 
shed a tear. Everyone else, I hope you can make it, I will be 
very happy to meet you.
This thread is dead for me.

Dwight Varnes, Elizabethtown, PA
1970 124 Spider
1986 Audi Coupe GT
1965 Ford F100
1996 Subaru Impreza 2.2RS (hers)

Gee, thanks. I had a very nice 40min conversation with the FLU
president last night and was quite looking forward to going to
FFO. But I guess if the founder of the club says I'm not welcome,
then I'm not welcome. Oh well. (and that he still thinks it's the
$29 were talking about here proves to me that he's understood
nothing I've been saying, ha!) Of course Oregon and Barf and all
that isn't set up so any one person can invite or disinvite
another, but from my perspective I hope any and all of your feel
welcome and come to one of the events out here.

I don't know how Dwight can say I have no desire to see any side
other than my own. How many times do I have to say that I don't
have a side of my own, and recognize that others can do things
how they want? Heck, I said it even in the last email you say is
so insulting! I just don't get it! Why does pointing out that
there are other ways of doing things, and that one way (FLU's) is
not necessarily better than another (every club out there that
holds and event and doesn't require people to be members), have
to be seen as an insult to FLU? 

I started this thread with a simple question. The responses were
from people who totally missed the point and accuses me of being
a fool for complaining about $29, and so more discussion had to
go down. Then misconceptions about both events were posted and
had to be cleaned up.  I hope at least that part of the
discussion has been helpful to those of you out there wanting to
learn more about how the events operate.



...........................
Rich Stephens, Pacifica, CA
http://www.3jar.com/fiat  (bunch of people's Fiats)
Former Fiats: two '64 1500 cabriolets, 2400 Dino Coupe, 131
supermirafiori wagon, 2-door brava
Current daily driver: 1978.5 SuperBRAVA wagon

Rich Stephens (Pacifica, CA) wrote:
: Gee, thanks. I had a very nice 40min conversation with the FLU
: president last night and was quite looking forward to going to
: FFO. But I guess if the founder of the club says I'm not 
welcome,
: then I'm not welcome. 

No one can say otherwise (even Dwight). The Freakout is open to 
all FLU members. 

Todd Rosenthal
Hagerstown, MD
72 124 Spider Fiat
93 164S Alfa
95 3000GT Spyder Mitsubishi

"and that's all I've got to say about that..."

Trent Wagner
Seattle, WA
1977 FIAT 124 Spider
http://sickchilly.com

Webmaster - FIAT Enthusiasts Northwest
http://www.fiatnorthwest.org

Todd wrote:
: No one can say otherwise (even Dwight). The Freakout is open 
to 
: all FLU members. 

I'm done with this thread, but I want to set the record straight.
I have no say in who comes to FFO, nor do I want any say. I just 
expressed that I wouldn't PERSONALLY be upset if Rich didn't 
come. 
Rich can do whatever he wants. Won't keep me from coming either.

Dwight Varnes, Elizabethtown, PA
1970 124 Spider
1986 Audi Coupe GT
1965 Ford F100
1996 Subaru Impreza 2.2RS (hers)

 sorry i brought it up. and hey, boneheads, it was never about 
the money...never, ever, ever...just on principle all people 
from Ohio and Kansas are required to pay an extare $29..."it's 
only $29 measly dollars"!....die dead horse, die, die, die...

Rich:
We may not agree on some things but then, spirited debate is 
hard to come by too.  You will generally find the crowd at FFO 
is congenial and actually laid back, even by Left Coast 
standards.  Most everyone is just there for the socializing and 
common interest in our autos.  Be a shame to miss it all over 
this little tempest.  You got the same reaction as my question 
to the family over dinner got in 1968: "Why is it OK to go to 
war if the 5th commandment is thou shall not kill?  Sounds 
pretty absolute to me?"  WooHoo, did we have a time with that 
one - Dad worked for the US Dept. of Defense at a SAC Air Base!
Tom Nicotera 
71 1608 Spider - Dual 40 IDF's, Orange
Back to only one FIAT, What to do? Help a friend build his!!
2002 Dodge Dakota 4X4 V-8 FIAT Hauler
1.5 Liter custom built Harley Davidson (4 sale) someone buy it, 
please.